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Pinpoint Test CN: P0811, P1920

  1. NOTE: The Inverter System Controller (ISC) is referred to as the SOBDMC (Secondary On-Board Diagnostic Control Module C) in the scan tool.

    Normal Operation and Fault Conditions 

    REFER to: Electric Powertrain Control - System Operation and Component Description .

    DTC Fault Trigger Conditions 

    DTC Description Fault Trigger Condition
    SOBDMC P0811:00 Excessive Clutch 'A' Slippage: No Sub Type Information This DTC sets when the engine speed measured by the PCM exceeds the engine speed measured at the transmission.
    SOBDMC P1920:62 Engine Speed Signal: Signal Compare Failure This DTC sets when the engine speed is higher than a calibrated range.

    Possible Causes 

    • Transmission damper
    • Oil or Grease contamination inside the damper
    • Transmission input shaft
    • CKP sensor
    • CMP sensor

  2. CN1 CHECK FOR PCM (POWERTRAIN CONTROL MODULE) CONTINUOUS MEMORY DIAGNOSTIC TROUBLE CODES (CMDTCS)

    • Using a diagnostic scan tool, check for CMDTC s.

    Are any PCMCMDTC s related to the CKP or CMP sensors present? 

    Yes  DIAGNOSE all PCMCMDTC s. Refer to the appropriate Engine article for the procedure.
    No  GO to  CN2
  3. CN2 REVIEW THE ENGINE AND GENERATOR RPM (REVOLUTIONS PER MINUTE) PARAMETER IDENTIFICATIONS (PIDS)

    • Ignition ON.

    • Connect the scan-tool.

    Access the SOBDMC and monitor the G_SPEED (Rpm) PID

    Access the SOBDMC and monitor the CTO (Rpm) PID

    • With Transmission in Park - depress accelerator to WOT and engine will start.

    • Utilizing scan tool record event so measurement can be made.

    • Confirm both PID s move upon accelerator pedal is pressed.

    Was the generator speed G_SPEED PID approximately 3.5 times that of the engine speed (CTO) PID ' 

    Yes  Attempt to duplicate the issue under high acceleration (max engine load) IN PARK while monitoring the PID s. The damper may slip under high loads due to oil/grease saturation. If slip of G_speed is more than approximately 3.5 times. REPLACE the damper and INSPECT the transmission input shaft or engine seals for leaks or damage and repair as needed.
    No  For Engine RPMPID does not move and generator RPMPID does move, GO to  CN3
  4. CN3 MONITIOR THE ENGINE RPM (REVOLUTIONS PER MINUTE) PID (PARAMETER IDENTIFICATION)

    Access the SOBDMC and monitor the CTO (Rpm) PID

    • Start the engine.

    • Open the hood

    Is the engine spinning but the CTO PID reading zero? 

    Yes  GO to  CN5
    No  GO to  CN4
  5. CN4 MONITIOR THE GENERATOR RPM (REVOLUTIONS PER MINUTE) PID (PARAMETER IDENTIFICATION)

    Access the SOBDMC and monitor the G_SPEED (Rpm) PID

    • Listen for an audible noise from the vehicle.

    Can you hear the generator spinning and verify the G_SPEED PID reads greater than zero? 

    Yes  INSTALL a new transmission damper.VERIFY transmission input shaft spline integrity.
    No  VERIFY the high voltage battery state of charge, recharge if necessary. REFER to: High Voltage Battery Charging - Full Hybrid Electric Vehicle (FHEV) .
  6. CN5 CHECK THE CKP (CRANKSHAFT POSITION) SENSOR CIRCUITS FOR AN OPEN

    • Ignition OFF.

    Is the resistance below 5 ohms? 

    Yes  GO to  CN6
    No  With the aid of the wiring diagram, REPAIR the open circuit.
  7. CN6 CHECK THE CKP (CRANKSHAFT POSITION) SENSOR CIRCUITS FOR A SHORT TO GROUND

    • Measure and record:
      Positive Lead Measurement / Action Negative Lead
      C1381E Pin 11
      GFD826402Courtesy of FORD MOTOR COMPANY
      Ground
      C1381E Pin 60
      GFD826402Courtesy of FORD MOTOR COMPANY
      Ground
      C1381E Pin 59
      GFD826402Courtesy of FORD MOTOR COMPANY
      Ground

    Is the resistance above 10K ohms? 

    Yes  GO to  CN7
    No  With the aid of the wiring diagram, REPAIR the open circuit.
  8. CN7 CHECK THE CKP (CRANKSHAFT POSITION) SENSOR CIRCUITS FOR A SHORT TO VOLTAGE

    • Ignition ON.

    • Measure and record:
      Positive Lead Measurement / Action Negative Lead
      C1381E Pin 11
      GFD826403Courtesy of FORD MOTOR COMPANY
      Ground
      C1381E Pin 60
      GFD826403Courtesy of FORD MOTOR COMPANY
      Ground
      C1381E Pin 59
      GFD826403Courtesy of FORD MOTOR COMPANY
      Ground

    Is any voltage present? 

    Yes  With the aid of the wiring diagram, REPAIR the short circuit. CLEAR the Inverter System Controller (ISC) DTC s and REPEAT the self-test.
    No  GO to  CN8
  9. CN8 CHECK THE CMP (CAMSHAFT POSITION) SENSOR CIRCUITS FOR AN OPEN

    • Ignition OFF.

    Is the resistance below 5 ohms? 

    Yes  GO to  CN9
    No  With the aid of the wiring diagram, REPAIR the open circuit.
  10. CN9 CHECK THE CMP (CAMSHAFT POSITION) SENSOR CIRCUITS FOR A SHORT TO GROUND

    • Measure and record:
      Positive Lead Measurement / Action Negative Lead
      C1366 Pin 3
      GFD826402Courtesy of FORD MOTOR COMPANY
      Ground
      C1366 Pin 1
      GFD826402Courtesy of FORD MOTOR COMPANY
      Ground
      C101 Pin 2
      GFD826402Courtesy of FORD MOTOR COMPANY
      Ground

    Is the resistance above 10K ohms? 

    Yes  GO to  CN10
    No  With the aid of the wiring diagram, REPAIR the open circuit.
  11. CN10 CHECK THE CMP (CAMSHAFT POSITION) SENSOR CIRCUITS FOR A SHORT TO VOLTAGE

    • Ignition ON.

    • Measure and record:
      Positive Lead Measurement / Action Negative Lead
      C1366 Pin 3
      GFD826403Courtesy of FORD MOTOR COMPANY
      Ground
      C1366 Pin 1
      GFD826403Courtesy of FORD MOTOR COMPANY
      Ground
      C101 Pin 2
      GFD826403Courtesy of FORD MOTOR COMPANY
      Ground

    Is any voltage present? 

    Yes  With the aid of the wiring diagram, REPAIR the short circuit. CLEAR the Inverter System Controller (ISC) DTC s and REPEAT the self-test.
    No  DIAGNOSE the engine speed reading zero when it's actually spinning. Refer to the appropriate Engine article for the procedure.